Chuck> I am the Moderator, Gaelyne, would you like to start with a statement?
.Gaelyne> No, maybe I'dd do a sum up at the end though...
.RobertBernardo> ?
.Chuck> Folks, i think Gaelyne and I have "talked" maybe twice before tonight
.Chuck> Go ahead Robert
.RobertBernardo> Could describe your book to us?
.Gaelyne> Sure... The Internet for Commodore C64/128 Users (TIFCU from here on ) is a book about all that's required to get on and use the Internet...
.Dick> ?
.Gaelyne> It starts with basics about what type of modem and term programs we can use, and then ...
.Sharen> ?
.Gaelyne> covers finding an Internet provider, and what you can do once you're online. It's also indexed and has a glossary.
.Chuck> Dick, go ahead
.Dick> Its a great book-how are the sales going?
.Gaelyne> ga
.Chuck> try again Dick, Gaelyne there is a huge lag time,
.Chuck> Gaelyne did you see Dick's question?
.Gaelyne> Sales are better than we anticipated. We expected about 100 in the first 6 months to be sold but it's been somewhat better than that. GA
.ColinG> !
.Chuck> GA Sharen
.Sharen> Whats your last name and whose the publisher? ga
.Gaelyne> My last name is Gasson and the publisher is VideoCam Services (a business run by my husband and me).
.Gaelyne> ga
.Chuck> Colin
.John> ?
.Chuck> John, ga
.ColinG> I thought I'd share a story with Gaelyne that I shared with everyone else last evening, about your book...
.Tim> ?
.ColinG> But I'll wait, because someone has something more important. ;-) ga
.John> Most of us who use an ISP to access Delphi found it impossible to upload files until...
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.John> we switched to Kermit protocol for ULing. Any idea why that's so? ga
.ColinG> Hello, Diane. ga
.ColinG> !
.Gaelyne> Kermit is a protocol that uses smaller packets of data, so it has less chance of problems with time outs that happen with the other protocols.
.Gaelyne> GA
.Chuck> Colin, you were going to share?
.Chuck> Tim, your next
.Tim> How can I get your book and is it available in bookstores? ga
.Gaelyne> Bookstores may be able to order it as soon as the International Books in Print database is updated with our new ISBN number...
.Gaelyne> It's also available from Loadstar for $35 (shipping included) to anywhere in the US ..
.Gaelyne> Also it's available from us at VideoCam.. I'll list the address and price at the end of the conference...
.Gaelyne> GA
.Chuck> Who's next?
.John> ?
.Chuck> Go for it John
.Dick> !
WOVE> ?
.Steven> ?
.John> Besides Maurice Randall, is anyone else working on a graphical browser, far as you know? ga
.Gaelyne> At one point in time, Jim Brain was also working on some aspects of connectivity that will be required for when we do have a graphical browser, but as far I know, Maurice is the only one.
.ColinG> !
.Tim> !
.Gaelyne> GA
.John> :)
.Chuck> Dick, you were next
.Dick> Gaelyne is also maintaing a LISTSERV to answer all questions which is a great service for all ga
.Chuck> Wove your turn
WOVE> What advantages would C= 8 bits offer over other platforms?
.Gaelyne> Thanks, Dick.
WOVE> for internet use. ga
.Gaelyne> Wove, I think the biggest advantage is that we aren't limited to waiting for graphics to load, but that doesn't have much to do with 8bits vs other platfforms...
.Gaelyne> since other platforms can use the same type of access we do. :-)
.Gaelyne> I don't see any DISADVANTAGES, though. GA
.Chuck> Steven, your turn
.Steven> thank you Chuck
.Steven> Hi, will there any information for web site user in your book? ga
.Gaelyne> Steven, can you clarify? Do you mean for those who have or want a web site, or for those who want to browse the web?
.Steven> I need more information on how to work for web site user to use through chat room etc. ga
.Gaelyne> It includes a full chapter on using the Web and Lynx. Chat rooms can be visited using Lynx. ...
.Steven> okay Thanks Gaelyne
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.Chuck> Colin you're up
.Gaelyne> One thing it doesn't have is how to create your own Web pages, but that would be another book in itself and I didn't want to skim that particular topic.
.ColinG> This is about the WWW browser for 128
.Gaelyne> GA
.ColinG> Ok, there was some rumour of another in development in fidonet's CBM echo- one guy was collecting info and everything, getting suggestions, the works...
.Gaelyne> I remember that conversation, yes.
.ColinG> He wanted to call it SuperWWW 128. I can't remember his name unfortunately. :-( For more info try asking in that fidonet group.. GA
.Chuck> Tim, your turn
.Gaelyne> I nevere EVER want to discourage anyone interested in adding to what we have. However....
.Gaelyne> In Fido and even on other BBS conferences and the newsgroups, people tend to come along and
.Tim> ! I don't think it was Fred Jones. Sorry, joke. :) Seriously, about the web browsers, I think I read Arnix (?) Labs was working on one. Also, Gaelyne, when you said
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.Gaelyne> say they are working on such and such... having been bitten too many times, I tend to wait on these before discussing them...
.Gaelyne> just to make sure that it comses to pass. GA
.Tim> entering chat via the web, you don't mean IRC, right? ga
.Chuck> Now Tim, go ahead
.Gaelyne> Same for Arraknix labs, but I think they and others may well succeed, and when they do, I will write about them.
.Gene> ?
.Chuck> Gene, you're up to bat
.Gene> Your articles are about the best thing in "Commodore World." Got any new ones coming up?
.Tim> ?
.Gaelyne> :-) Thanks Gene -- I've a couple that they have waiting in the wings. :-)
.Gaelyne> GA
.Chuck> Tim, ga
.Tim> When you say entering chat via the web, you mean the chat rooms that are on the web but not the actual IRC, right?
.Tim> ga
.RobertBernardo> ?
.Gaelyne> I always refer to IRC as IRC, Tim. So Chat rooms on the web are on the web. :-) GA
.Tim> I see. end. :)
.Chuck> Robert, ga
.RobertBernardo> How many pages and chapters does your book have? What are the topics?
.Gaelyne> The 2nd edition has 298 pages, 17 chapters...
.Gaelyne> The chapters cover Hardware, software, Providers, Dialing in, Unix, WWW, FTP, Telnet, Email, Online editors...
.Gaelyne> Dealing with files, Advanced Email topics, Advanced Unix topics... and probably more. (I should have made a macro!)
.John> lol
.RobertBernardo> Yikes...and thank you! ga
.Chuck> Gaelyne, I have heard that there is a German who hav developed a unix system for the C64, and is using that for internetting
.Gaelyne> Oh, and not necessarily in that order - it was just off the top of my head. Your welcome. :-) GA
.Gaelyne> Yes, Daniel Dallman, but so far itdoesn't allow all that it will eventually (we hope)
.Gaelyne> GA
.ColinG> !
.Chuck> Yes Colin?
.ColinG> I believe it is called lunix, and can be found by looking up lunix poldi in AltaVista- Poldi is Danial's nick... ga
.Gaelyne> Backing up, Daniel created a SLIp interface, NOT a UNIX system. GA
.ColinG> !
.Chuck> Go ahead Colin ;-)
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.Gaelyne> And yes, his UNIX system is calld lunix (2 separate topics), sorry.
.Fred> Hi ya all. :)
.ColinG> He actually did both- he also designed the 9600 C-64 user port interface and is working on lunix II... ga
.Gaelyne> Not THE Fred Jones? ;-)
.ColinG> Nope...
.Gaelyne> Thanks, Colin - Correct on all counts. :-) GA
.Gene> o'oW&Qut{w3?
.Gene> ?
.Chuck> Go ahead Gene
.Gene> Are you still maintaining a channel on IRC, Gaelyne? If so, when and where? ga
JHALLORAN> - signed off -
.Gaelyne> Yes, it's on Dalnet and is named #QWKRR. It's on at 12:30pm (afternoon) on Fridays here in Oz...
.Gaelyne> For you, that would be about half hour from now on your Thurs eve.
.Gaelyne> GA
.RobertBernardo> ?
.Chuck> Go ahead Robert
.RobertBernardo> At what level of user is your book aimed?
.Gaelyne> Most of it is Beginner to Intermediate, with a couple of advanced chapters at the end.
.Gaelyne> GA
.RobertBernardo> Thanks again. ga
.Gaelyne> No Wrries.
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.Gaelyne> I found the order number for Loadstar...
.Gaelyne> Item # 900920 1-800-831-2694
.Gaelyne> GA
.RobertBernardo> ?
.Chuck> go ahead robert
.RobertBernardo> Is Novaterm 9.6 Lite still included with the package?
.Gaelyne> Yes, and it is one done specially for the book by Nick Rossi. GA
.RobertBernardo> Sounds good! ga
.Gaelyne> It's not the same as the one put out with the Turbo232 - this one lets you download with Zmodem, and has a 2 entry phone book.
.Gaelyne> GA
.Tim> !
.Chuck> Go for it Tim
.Tim> NT 9.6 Lite is a demo, stripped down version of the commercial Novaterm 9.6 program.
.Tim> end
.Gaelyne> Chuck, is this beingbuffered for use later?
.Chuck> O yes, Gaelyne
.Chuck> At least three of us are capturing every word
.Gaelyne> Yes - that's why it's not called HEAVY. Point taken. :-) GA
.RobertBernardo> ?
WELD> ?
.Chuck> Robert, then Weld
.RobertBernardo> A Barbara Walters question...why did you write the book? :-)
.Gaelyne> A flyer is included listing the full features available in the full version, with ordering info as well. GA
.Gaelyne> Thanks, Chuck!
.Gaelyne> I wrote the book because someone sent me Email asking for specific C= publications on the topic and at the time, there were none...
.Gaelyne> And I couldn't fit it all in a monthly column. :-) GA
.Chuck> Weld, go ahead
WELD> I know this is asking you to be a bit redundant, but for us late arrivers, would you (re)mention the title of your book and the magazines you still write articles for? Thanks in advance!
.Gaelyne> No worries!
.Chuck> Good name
.Gaelyne> The name of the book is The Internet for Commodore C64/128 Users by Gaelyne R. Gasson
.Gaelyne> I write for Commodore World magazine with a regular column named "Carrier Detect", and I send the Loadstar Letter articles as well.
.Gaelyne> I've also written for C=Hacking, BBS Magazine, BBS.Net, Commodore Network, and I edited...
.Gaelyne> Cee-64 Alive! a few years ago. GA
.Susan> ?
.Chuck> Yes Susan?
.Susan> Gaelyne, what's your next project?
.Susan> ga
.Gaelyne> I'm starting a freelance WWW design service. :-)
.Gaelyne> I'd like to work with companies and have pages developed that can be viewed and enjoyed regardless of platform. GA
.Susan> ?
.Chuck> Yes Susan?
.Susan> Are you going to do the design work ON a Commie?
.Susan> ga
.Dick> ?
.Gaelyne> No, but I'll be able to work with and use C= graphics. It can be maintained from the C= side without any problems.
.Gaelyne> The FCUG (Fresno User Group) Page is an example of a GEOS file moved and used on the Web, BTW.
.Gaelyne> GA
.RobertBernardo> !
.Chuck> Go ahead Robert
.Gaelyne> The NEW Url for it is http://videocam.net.au/fcug.html
.RobertBernardo> I can confirm that since I'm from that group!
.Tim> !
.Gaelyne> :-) GA
.Chuck> Dick, go ahead
.Dick> Kermit is working OK for me uploading on Delphi- what I can't understand is with Xmodem I can't even get the first block through and no retries. Can you comment?
.ColinG> !
.Dick> ga
.Gaelyne> It is odd, Dick but Delphi is a very different service and I can't really comment unless I spent time working with different possibilbilteis with it.
.Gaelyne> For instance, I noticed a lot of options in the Setup area under Networking that relate to the file transfers.
.Gaelyne> Som experimentation with thes might help find the cure (excuse my typos, please)
.Gaelyne> GA
.Chuck> Tim, your turn
.Tim> Well, first a question, what was that URL again?
.Tim> ga
.Gaelyne> http://videocam.net.au/fcug.html
.Gaelyne> Our main site starts with http://videocam.net.au
.Tim> I just want to comment that URL may not work with Lynx versions 2.5 (which Delphi has) or older.
.Tim> ga
.Gaelyne> My sysop has remamped those to hal9000.net.au I think.
.Gaelyne> GA
.Chuck> Colin
.Gaelyne> He's adding software to fix the problem, at any rate. GA
.Chuck> you're on
.ColinG> This is about file transfer... are you telnetting in Dick? ga, Dick
.Dick> yes
.ColinG> Ok, telnet in by typing telnet -8 delphi.com and you'll be able to do YMODEM when netlag is down, and xmodem always, zmodem is pushing it, sorry
.ColinG> ga
.Gaelyne> Always start telnet sessions with "telnet -8" to avoid transfer problems.
.Dick> They don't work for me. ga
.ColinG> Ooops, exp: This puts it in 8-bit mode so you can do CRC properly. now, ga
.Gaelyne> Good one, Colin!
.ColinG> Thx! ga
.Gaelyne> GA
.Tim> !
.Dick> !
.Dick> ?
.Gaelyne> Check the network settings under Settings here on Delphi, Dick. That might help.
.Chuck> Tim
.Chuck> Tim, you had statement?
.Tim> OK, I just checked to see if I could go to the URL with Delphi's web browser but couldn't get to it. So, it looks until the problem is resolved you may have to have a higher version of Lynx to see the file. :/

.Tim> ga
.Chuck> Dick?
.Dick> Has anyone here ever had a successful Xmodem upload on Delphi via telnet?
.John> no- Kermiyt only
.ColinG> Yes!
.Gaelyne> Or instead, use "http://hal9000.net.au/~gaelyne" or possibly http://hal9000.net.au/~videocam (the first will work, the 2nd, I'm not sure on).
.Gaelyne> GA
.Chuck> On the Lynx topic
.Chuck> Here, in Com Com, we have maintained 2.7
.Gaelyne> Been too long since I've last tried, Dick. Good question, though. GA
.ColinG> Dick: But not via the 128, unfortunately. :-( Couln't get it to work by NT or Desterm- had to use Hyperterm on the PC... sorry, chuck. ga
.John> !
.Chuck> unlike the rest of Delphi, however or source has "died" and Ed is looking for a new site for us
.Chuck> Go ahead John
.Dick> !
.John> Yes, I should have clarified that too- have used X- and Zmodem on clone- not with 128. ga
.Gaelyne> Chuck, does this mean that the com com area is using a a newer browser than the rest of Delphi?
.Gaelyne> GA
.Sharen> !
.Chuck> Yes Gaelyne, that's the case
.Tim> !
.ColinG> ?
.Chuck> Dick, then Sharen, then Tim, then Colin
.Dick> That's interesting because I can't upload via Xmodem on my ISP either. I wonder if something is peculiar about our CBM protocol. GA
.Gaelyne> I don't really know, Dick. GA
.Chuck> Sharen, your turn
.Sharen> I have tried d/ling here using the 128 and desterm but couldn't d/l....
.Sharen> but using the 128 and nova 9.6 I can d/l why?
.Sharen> ga
.Chuck> Sharen, I have a feeling that's in your settings on Desterm.
.Gaelyne> I suspect flow control is part of the Desterm problem. You need to disable it to download when using X/on /off flow control.
.Sharen> oh , thanks
.Gaelyne> No worries. GA
.Chuck> Tim, go ahead
.Tim> Chuck, when you said Lynx 2.7 is here in com com, you mean there's a link whre you can Telnet to a site that has Lynx 2.7, right? Also, a list of public Lynx sites is available at http://lynx.browser.org (a
.Tim> couple of these sites have Lynx 2.7).
.Tim> ga
.Chuck> Tim, Ed had set up a direct link from Com Com to a 2.7 source
.Chuck> so that when you used Lynx here, that was the version that came on
.Chuck> Colin, you were next i believe?
.Tim> OK, I thought I saw something about Telnet. ga
.ColinG> Chuck: What do I type in com com to access lynx 2.7? It's newer than the one I have on MY ISP!
.ColinG> ga
.Chuck> Colin, when you went to Lynx here, in Com Com, you were automaticly linked to the 2.7 version--while it was elsewhere, you couldn't tell
.Chuck> However, Ed tells me that source is now defunct, and he is looking for a new link
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.ColinG> Aah- so it's out of order temprarily? ga
.Chuck> There is, Colin, in the menu area in Commodore, an Internet area
.Chuck> that area is handled from here, not from the Internet Forum
.Chuck> In that respect Delphi is unique--each Forum may have resources that other Forums don't have.
.Gaelyne>
.Gaelyne> I have always enjoyed using Delphi... but last year this time, my credit card bit me for all the online services I was checking out. It's still dented.
.Chuck> Any more questions for our guest??
.Gaelyne> GA
.RobertBernardo> ?
.Chuck> Go ahead Robert
.RobertBernardo> What do you think about the state of Commodore computerdom today?
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TOMJOHNSTON> hiyas!
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.Gaelyne> Good question... I see more people getting online these days, and that improves their ability to find answerse to qquestions and to get help with problems. It's good for Commodore users as a whole. ....
.Gaelyne> Also, I see a lot of people getting out the computer they stashed in the closet years ago and either using it, or giving it to someone who will. It looks good.
.Gaelyne> GA
.RobertBernardo> Just wanted to know your philosophy. :-) ga
.Gaelyne> Hi Tom! :-)
.Chuck> Let me say something here
.Gaelyne> GA
.Chuck> It's been our desire to create a new home for the Commodore users everywhere. But this place is only as good as
.Chuck> the people who use it, and avail themselves of it
.Chuck> We have conferences seven nights a week, and any topic can be discussed
.Chuck> But, when we ask for suggestions from the members, we get a lot of silence.
.Chuck> These formal conferences will be monthly, we hope--but there are a lot of other helps available
.Chuck> If the folks will use them--this thing with Lynx is an example
.Chuck> We have a complete Internet area right here in Com Com, with a heck of a lot of commodore sites
.Chuck> But that area sits, by and large, unused
.Chuck> Now, off my soapbox ;-)
.ColinG> !
.Gaelyne> Use the services and SPEAKUP! :-) (Gaelyne's summation)
.Chuck> Go ahead Colin
.Chuck> You got it Gaelyne
.ColinG> Ok, I'll tell that story now! ;-)
.Chuck>
.ColinG> I was in a bookstore yesterday, and it was more like a wwarehouse- it was four stories tall, and about the floor size of the Microsoft production facility...
.ColinG> They claimed to have 'every single book printed in the last year in stock'.
.ColinG> If you found a book they didn't have, they'd pay $10. I told them about your book, they searched and searched, ran an ISBN lookout, and it turns out that yes the book existed, and no they didn't have it.
.Gaelyne> Did you get the $10?
.ColinG> I'm ten dollars richer, and Gaelyne, you may have a potential buyer- look out for Chapters of Canada- and unless they order your book, I'm going to keep going back and collecting my ten, every week. ;-)
.John> lol
.Susan> LOL, colin
.Sharen> lol
.Gaelyne> ROFL!!!!
.Gaelyne> Love it!
.ColinG> If they don't do it after a month, I'll have enough for the book. ;-)
.Chuck> Not too bad an idea, actually
.Susan>
.John> they have a phone number? We could all profit :-)
.ColinG> And if they don't do it for two months, I'll get myself Kickstart 2.05. ;-)
.Gaelyne> I am delighted to hear the ISBN lookup workd too - it takes a long time for those databases tget updated.
.ColinG> You have to show up in person...
.Chuck> give it another month and get 3.1
.Gaelyne> For shame, 3 months and you can get the book direct!
.ColinG> ;-)
.John> Gaelyne, we could all call- they'll wind up ordering a thousand copies ;-)
.Susan> colin, get your friends to go ask, too
.Gaelyne> Oh yes, Johhn! LOL Laughing so hard I can barely type!
.ColinG> You have to show up in person and fill out 3 pages of forms. It was worth it!
.John> where is it?
.ColinG> Ottawa, Ontario
.Chuck> Okay--hold on a second here!
.Chuck> If there are no pressing matters, we'll close the formal part of this confernce
.Susan> good idea
.RobertBernardo> ?
.ColinG> One in byward market, another near Billings bridge... there are three more in Toronto, et il y a deux en Montr'eal...
.Chuck> Yes Robert?
.Gaelyne> Allow me to use the info macros on how to order and all that good stuff, ok?
.RobertBernardo> Could you give us the juicy details on how to order directly from you?
.ColinG> Rob: Or chapters?
.Chuck> Certainly Gaelyne
.Gaelyne> Here goes...
.Gaelyne> The Internet for Commodore C64/128 Users
.Chuck> We'll also post it in the forum seperately
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.Gaelyne> Phone or Fax: +61 8 8322-2716
.Gaelyne> Web orders: http://videocam.net.au/bookord.html or
.Gaelyne> http://hal9000.net.au/moranec/bookord.html (older Lynx versions only)